Exposing the fear that is giving West Bend, WI a bad name.
Wednesday, September 1, 2010
Ginny is also afraid of Muslims?
1.6 billion Muslims inhabit the planet, but apparently the 19 of them who took part in 9/11 speak for all of them. Good thing not all Christians are tainted because of the actions of a few...
"Miss West Bend" appears to have falsely represented Ginny. She makes it appear like Ginny wrote what someone else wrote that appears on someone else's blog. "Miss West Bend" provides no link to prove otherwise.
Further, Ginny is the victim of other Internet hoaxes such as someone who set up a URL in her name who then uses differing links to publicly embarrass Ginny. Or the sale of merchandise making fun of Ginny. There are numerous other incidents of harassment.
This is just the latest effort to make completely false claims is an effort to harass Ginny. It is completely defamatory.
On the other hand, it is "Miss West Bend" who, by making this false post, has revealed her disrespect for the "1.6 billion Muslim's [sic]" she is using to falsely attack Ginny.
"Miss West Bend" should consider proving the truth of the matter asserted. If she cannot, she should remove this harassing and defamatory blog post.
How is this is a misrepresentation?? This is simply a screen capture of something Ginny posted to her own publicly visible Facebook wall. There's no attribution of the quote, merely a (valid) presumption that Ginny likely agrees with its sentiment, since she's posted it. See it for yourself here: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511151262&v=wall&ref=ts
And how is having an ironic page appear when one visits http://ginnymaziarka.com/ a "hoax" or "publicly embarrassing" to Ginny? How is it defamatory, exactly? Do you know the legal definition of that term? Please explain.
I see it. Took awhile for me to log in. I suspect it represents further harassment as in a hacked Facebook account as that is uncharacteristic of Ginny. Let me check into this.
I can now report that Ginny has informed me that her Facebook account has been hacked and she had previously reported the hack to Facebook. She says the hacker added that post.
That said, given that someone up there is targeting Ginny for harassment in numerous serious and invasive ways, this Facebook hack is entirely consistent with that continuing pattern of harassment.
I'll sit back and watch this continuing harassment, but someday that person is going to make a slip and all will be revealed. Given the harassment involved, a finding of criminal activity would not surprise me in the slightest, neither would jail time.
Think about it. Did "Miss West Bend" who reported the defamatory material really monitor Ginny's Facebook, hit pay dirt, then report it on her blog? More likely, "Miss West Bend" is either the hacker or in communication with the hacker, who could be any of the people who immediately responded to me tonight after this post sat for days. The hacker planted the message, then immediately blogged on it, or immediately informed "Miss West Bend" who in her glee and hatred for Ginny posted it knowing it was bogus information.
"Miss West Bend," who informed you of that fake posting?
Okay, it's 11:09 PM for me in NJ. I'm going to sign off now, and I see no further need to comment here again now that I have established this blog post contains defamatory material and may represent harassment by "Miss West Bend" or any of the commenters here, other than myself. Indeed it may represent criminal activity.
"I have established this blog post contains defamatory material and may represent harassment by "Miss West Bend" or any of the commenters here, other than myself. Indeed it may represent criminal activity. "
You are fucking hilarious, man. All you've established is unverifiable communication with Ginny, unverifiable accusations of hacking, and illogical speculation of "criminal activity" by the owner of this blog.
Ginny had a public wall -- many people reading this probably have viewed it in the past year.
here's the screenshot from the other day showing the post in question (i took it cuz I figured she'd eventually delete it) http://a.imageshack.us/img811/4056/ginnyfacebook.png
Kleinman - take your meds. And don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you. She posted this to FB. (if her account was "hacked" it would've been by spammers who would've sent messages to all her friends about something, not the posting of a anti-mosque limerick)
Dan K has requested that I weigh in on this. Even if I may be considered dumb as a post by some because 1) I apparently think "anything goes" and all material is suitable by minors and 2) I clearly have no understanding of copyright law, I do apparently have some moral authority in the community (and I thought I was the one that was made out to have no morals...?)
In any case, I don't think anyone who comments here had anything to do with a Facebook hack, and I hope I'm right about that. If Ginny's Facebook account was hacked, I'm sorry to hear that and would urge anyone behind it to stop that kind of behavior. Faking posts or comments on her FB account is unnecessary when there are so many legitimate posts/comments on her blog to dissect and disprove.
And Dan, I'm sure the displeasure with Ginny's role in the library challenge, anti-harrassment policy, etc. is more far-reaching than you realize. Certainly, a lot of people in West Bend are against her actions. But when the library challenge became international news, it put a big target on her back. Her "hacker" could be virtually anyone.
There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security messages I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
Maria, other than the attitude, thank you for your message and I hope it is heeded.
Marshwood, it is my opinion you are the hacker who did this then grabbed the screen shots to harass and defame Ginny, and perhaps worse. Based on my belief that you have acting as you have with the potential serious consequences both to you and to Ginny as they may be, you are no longer welcome to post comments on my blog. Any you do place for any reason will be removed as soon as I can get to them. Any other commenter who comments on your behalf in any way will find that particular comment will be removed. You have not yet been proven by a court of law to be a criminal, but it is my opinion that will be a matter of time. Criminals may not use my blog to perpetuate their crimes.
Maria, I am happy you hope no one here had anything to do with the hack, and I am certain you did not, but it is my opinion Marshwood is directly involved. Unless Marshwood is also Miss West Bend, I do not think Miss West Bend is directly involved, except to the except she may have and may still be colluding with Marshwood, and she may be involved with other harassing incidents, like the URL in Ginny's name that's not really Ginny's URL. Local_MLIS_Student uses colorful language but I do not think he is involved, based on what I see above.
And Maria, a lot of harassment began before the international news hit. You have a possible theory that an international hacker is at work, but it does not jive with the facts.
And now, a message to hackers. Hackers, I know you are all people legitimately interested in probing the boundaries of the computer world. I hold you in high esteem and our society has seen many benefits of your activity. The hacker who made this particular Facebook break, however, is likely not an actual hacker, just someone who uses web site provided front end interfaces to attempt to break into accounts, much like Sarah Palin's "hacker" who went to jail. That's not real hacking, that's just criminal activity. So my comments are really directed toward the criminal activity of someone, not towards hackers or hacking per se. Hack on.
There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security message I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
You people doth protest too much, methinks.
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There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security message I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
Okay, that's the end of the first half of my comment, now separated into 3 subparts to bypass some unknown technical issue. The second half already appears above (so far).
Miss West Bend reported something that actually happened; the post did appear on Ginny's FB page, even if, as you say, she claims her account was hacked. It appeared there; that's true, so you can't claim defamation.
I find it highly amusing that in the same breath that you claim Ginny is being defamed, you call out Marshwood and basically call him/her a criminal without any kind of proof other than your convoluted reasoning. And you accuse Miss West Bend of being behind other supposed "crimes" against Ginny, like the Ginny Maziarka domains. (Which, by the way, are no where near defamation or harrassment.)
Because defamation involves false information as truth is an absolute defense. If Marshwood were to tell the truth, he might first have to be read Miranda rights.
The Ginny/Marshwood no-difference claim you make is false, like a guy who murders his parents seeking special consideration as an orphan. Similarly, Ginny may be Marshwood's victim.
Miss West Bend may have known the false information was planted but still publicized that Ginny published it. It certainly appears that way by her comments. That sounds like trouble no matter what smoke screen you may throw up next.
Danny, all your rhetoric is based on a speculative premise of yours that me or someone hacked Ginny's FB page with the sole purpose of posting a textual limerick criticizing the Mosque. And then tipped off Miss West Bend to post a screenshot of it here.
REALLY? That's what someone would do if they actually were able to hack into Ginny's FB account?
"Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot?"
Go re-read all the instances on Sleepless in West Bend where Ginny would routinely change posts after criticism. Anyone who has witnessed desperate people getting caught know its always good to keep archives of webpages.
Guess how many MBs I have from your blog?!? BWAHAHAHAHA
Maria said: "I find it highly amusing that in the same breath that you claim Ginny is being defamed, you call out Marshwood and basically call him/her a criminal without any kind of proof other than your convoluted reasoning."
Now you're going to be accused of personally attacking Dan, or his version of the meaning of an ad hominem attack. Tsk tsk
"Danny, all your rhetoric is based on a speculative premise of yours...."
No, I spoke with Ginny directly, and I too have been similarly probed as I explained, so between that and all the other things, I believe Ginny's account was hacked and you are the hacker.
Further, your continued efforts to make people look the other way only helps strengthen this view.
Oh by the way, this is not the only blog post on which you immediately posted a comment that contained information that no one else would know who did not have inside information.
And please, provide your specific evidence that implicates me in this "hack".
Finally, Dan, just step back and think about it. Ginny's entire political identity -- her WISSUP and Eagle Forum movements -- fall squarely in line with the poem that she posted on her Facebook page.
Further, there was nothing all that radical in her post. Nothing all that harmful. It just showed she supports an ignorant position. That's no surprise to anyone. THINK ABOUT IT: if you really think *I* hacked her account, don't you think I'd do something more malicious with that access?
(Once again) Your wild theories just don't make sense.
But hey, I'll throw you a bone: please have Ginny post all her correspondence with Facebook regarding this supposed hack. They'll have the security logs of any access, attempts to reset her password. Even the IP address of who logged into her account to post that poem. Just have her post it all online. I'm confident none of it would point to me. I guarantee it.
I also would like to have Ginny herself publicly refute the notion that she posted that to her wall. I want her denial, and accusation that someone hacked her account, on record. She should be more than willing to do that if she's being a good, honest Christian.
You think you are very clever. You just ignore what I say and continue to pile on the defamation. You continue to smear her again and again, nonstop. You are so cock sure you will not get caught that you have asked me to do something you know you already protected yourself against. And you continue to mock her Christianity.
Please, continue to defame her. Such actions may be considered during sentencing, something that may eventually catch up to you even if you are too clever right now.
I'm not defaming or mocking. She should come out and confirm she didn't post that, and state for herself that someone hacked her account. Unless I hear it from her mouth, you are just babbling with unverifiable hearsay.
And if she isn't being honest, then she's being untrue to her faith. Simple as that.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that Ginny is violating Facebook's terms of service by having two active accounts for herself.
There's the one in question here, which now has its wall set to private: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511151262
And this other one, which is harder to find, but its out there (no hack required, Danny): http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536190121
If there's any doubt as to the ownership of this second account (since it doesn't have her face in the profile), here's a public comment she made, featuring her typical rhetoric: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=202342187163
And, just to preempt Dan: this aren't personal attacks. Just stating two simple facts: 1) Ginny has 2 Facebook accounts; 2) that's against Facebook's terms of service (see section 4.2 at http://www.facebook.com/terms.php)
We all know Ginny will not get a fair shake here. Just look at the reaction I have gotten, and I'm not Ginny. Were she to write here, you and others would use it as a launching point for more defamation. It really never ends with people like you. Neither does your harassment.
You have to wonder if this behavior of yours is acceptable to others. Obviously some know who you are and what you are doing to Ginny. They must really hate Ginny to stay friends with someone like you doing the dirty work you do.
Do you care one iota how this affects Ginny and her family?
Ginny doesn't need to confirm her story here. She has her own blogs (with strict comment moderation to control the reaction). She's more than free to publicly state for the record that her Facebook account was hacked and that she didn't actually post that message that appears in the numerous screenshots.
If she's being truthful, she has nothing to lose to go on record to confirm what you've stated second-hand. If she's unwilling to go on record, that just raises some questions now, doesn't it?
And how does any of this affect her family? She posted her opinion on her public facebook wall. Again, her daily comments on her own blog are much more vitriolic than this silly poem. (But keep ignoring the illogical stance you're holding that someone hacked her account just to post this silly thing)
There are no facts in evidence to support the accusation that I have defamed her. I demand your apology, and any further insistence will be used at your pending criminal trial.
(see how dumb it sounds when you threaten people with trials and sentencing!)
There are a number of facts listed above. Further, there is additional information. Keep pushing, Marshwood. Oh, I'm not doing anything, but I would not be surprised if someone else does.
I'm beginning to think that Dan Kleinman's Blogger profile here has been hacked, because there is no possible way, in my opinion of course, that he could be actually be this full of shit.
Hahah looks like Ginny's other facebook account was hacked too! I mean, now way did she actually post this on December 11, 2009:
"Christians are fooling themselves if they do not think their involvement in public school policies and curriculum review is necessary. The next generation of youth is being raised on liberal pollution, i.e., harassment and bullying policies that give special protection to homosexual "children", school (and public) libraries stocking sexually explicit gay books and calling it "intellectual freedom", government-controlled sex education commandeered by Planned Parenthood, and the like. Wake up! Wake up!"
The saddest part of this entire thing is that it extends Ginny's 15 minutes. It really looked like she and Dan had used up their time in WB. Sadly, that is not the case.
I have said in other posts, I have friends in Australia and they see these things so the idea that the "hacker" has to be someone that is commenting here seems silly. By the way, my friends and I have nothing to do with this little fracas. Though they e-mailed me and told me they saw this stuff on the web. They are laughing at the community of WB. Thanks Ginny and now Dan. WB is an international laughingstock.
And, personally, I can't decide which is more laughable. Ginny trying to cover her a** by lying about some wild Facebook hack, or Dan K. who believes her to the ends of the earth and has convinced himself that commenters here must be the culprit.
Wait, this isn't laughable at all.....its just plain sad.
Dan K asked, Do you care one iota how this affects Ginny and her family?
While I wish Ginny and her family no harm, emotionally or otherwise, you have to give a pass to anyone that might not be so concerned. Did Ginny care one iota about the LGBT in our community when she tried to destroy the parts of the harrassment policy with protected them from harrassment based on sexual preference? Did she care about the teachers that she made life very difficult for, making veiled accusations about them? Did she care about my feelings when she publicly called me the woman who says porn is OK for kids or mocked me with labels such as "the likes of Maria Hanrahan"? Did she care about the library director when she ridiculed him virtually daily on her blog? Did she care about the YA librarian when she stalked her Facebook page and made allegations that she was pushing an agenda in our community?
If Ginny wants discussion of her behavior and tactics to end, it's easy enough to accomplish.
And, going through the comments, Dan -- why did you apparently e-mail Maria H. to ask her to weigh in on this? This has nothing to do with the library issue.
Because, Local_MLIS_Student, I foresee possible serious consequences for what is happening in West Bend. I am making an effort to try to bring sanity to the situation for everyone's sake.
Maria has never harassed nor defamed Ginny, so far as I know, and she is viewed as a sort of leader of those who oppose Ginny's efforts. I reached out to Maria as a result.
It hasn't seemed to have much of an effect, other than to now be questioned for e-mailing Maria, but at least I tried. Can you believe I'm now being questioned as to why I e-mailed Maria?
If someone does go to jail, I know I will have tried at least something to prevent it.
I am trying, really I am, but you and others just continue down the path unabated. And each new nuance is immediately questioned, like my e-mail to Maria, like 2 Facebook accounts, etc.
The viciousness is palpable. Did you ever think that's what's defaming West Bend, not Ginny?
Did you ever think you are part of the problem? Here, let me quote you: "You are fucking hilarious, man."
Wow, Dan. I wonder if Ginny has paid you a retainer fee for future legal services. Are you a member of the Wisconsin Bar Association?
You, my friend, have NO idea the destruction Ginny has caused in the WB community. You have tanke her side - and, unfortunately, you've bought her package blindly. Like I've said before, people had had enough of her homophobia, whether it was over a harassment policy, WB staff members, or books in the library with a homosexual theme. Because people stood up to her that's harassment? Please. She's been to school board meetings, library board meeetings, and common council meetings with her video camera, posted the video and made snide comments if the person being taped didn't agree with her position. She's taken snapshots of people's blogs and facebook profiles - isn't that criminal??? She's been on TV inciting fear in the Milwaukee community via the "Christian" (sic) TV station (and the radio station) when she's asked for "expertise" on library and school issues. GIVE IT UP, DAN! She doesn't need you to defend her, after all, according to her she wields the sword of truth. Really, if you haven't figured this situation out yet, you're really wasting your time.
"Miss West Bend" appears to have falsely represented Ginny. She makes it appear like Ginny wrote what someone else wrote that appears on someone else's blog. "Miss West Bend" provides no link to prove otherwise.
ReplyDeleteFurther, Ginny is the victim of other Internet hoaxes such as someone who set up a URL in her name who then uses differing links to publicly embarrass Ginny. Or the sale of merchandise making fun of Ginny. There are numerous other incidents of harassment.
This is just the latest effort to make completely false claims is an effort to harass Ginny. It is completely defamatory.
On the other hand, it is "Miss West Bend" who, by making this false post, has revealed her disrespect for the "1.6 billion Muslim's [sic]" she is using to falsely attack Ginny.
"Miss West Bend" should consider proving the truth of the matter asserted. If she cannot, she should remove this harassing and defamatory blog post.
How is this is a misrepresentation?? This is simply a screen capture of something Ginny posted to her own publicly visible Facebook wall. There's no attribution of the quote, merely a (valid) presumption that Ginny likely agrees with its sentiment, since she's posted it. See it for yourself here: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511151262&v=wall&ref=ts
ReplyDeleteAnd how is having an ironic page appear when one visits http://ginnymaziarka.com/ a "hoax" or "publicly embarrassing" to Ginny? How is it defamatory, exactly? Do you know the legal definition of that term? Please explain.
ReplyDeleteI looked at the Facebook page you provided. I do not see what "Miss West Bend" posted. It's not there.
ReplyDeleteYou need to be logged into Facebook to view it, apparently. Just log in. Or should I create a larger screenshot so you can see it on her public page?
ReplyDeleteLog into FB to see people's profiles.
ReplyDeleteLooks like Ginny has now restricted the visibility of her Wall. I'll have to upload the screenshot I took the other day. Gimme a minute.
ReplyDeleteI see it. Took awhile for me to log in. I suspect it represents further harassment as in a hacked Facebook account as that is uncharacteristic of Ginny. Let me check into this.
ReplyDeleteMarshwood, hold off on uploading it. If her account has been hacked, you may be contributing to defamation. Be patient.
ReplyDeleteI can now report that Ginny has informed me that her Facebook account has been hacked and she had previously reported the hack to Facebook. She says the hacker added that post.
ReplyDeleteThat said, given that someone up there is targeting Ginny for harassment in numerous serious and invasive ways, this Facebook hack is entirely consistent with that continuing pattern of harassment.
I'll sit back and watch this continuing harassment, but someday that person is going to make a slip and all will be revealed. Given the harassment involved, a finding of criminal activity would not surprise me in the slightest, neither would jail time.
Think about it. Did "Miss West Bend" who reported the defamatory material really monitor Ginny's Facebook, hit pay dirt, then report it on her blog? More likely, "Miss West Bend" is either the hacker or in communication with the hacker, who could be any of the people who immediately responded to me tonight after this post sat for days. The hacker planted the message, then immediately blogged on it, or immediately informed "Miss West Bend" who in her glee and hatred for Ginny posted it knowing it was bogus information.
"Miss West Bend," who informed you of that fake posting?
Okay, it's 11:09 PM for me in NJ. I'm going to sign off now, and I see no further need to comment here again now that I have established this blog post contains defamatory material and may represent harassment by "Miss West Bend" or any of the commenters here, other than myself. Indeed it may represent criminal activity.
ReplyDeleteGinny's FB account hacked? C'mon. You've got to be kidding. This content is fully in-line with Ginny's political ideology. I don't by this BS.
ReplyDelete"I have established this blog post contains defamatory material and may represent harassment by "Miss West Bend" or any of the commenters here, other than myself. Indeed it may represent criminal activity. "
ReplyDeleteYou are fucking hilarious, man. All you've established is unverifiable communication with Ginny, unverifiable accusations of hacking, and illogical speculation of "criminal activity" by the owner of this blog.
Fucking hilarious.
Goodness Dan Kleinman, really?
ReplyDeleteHacked? Christ.
ReplyDeleteGinny had a public wall -- many people reading this probably have viewed it in the past year.
here's the screenshot from the other day showing the post in question (i took it cuz I figured she'd eventually delete it)
http://a.imageshack.us/img811/4056/ginnyfacebook.png
Kleinman - take your meds. And don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you. She posted this to FB. (if her account was "hacked" it would've been by spammers who would've sent messages to all her friends about something, not the posting of a anti-mosque limerick)
get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple.
Dan K has requested that I weigh in on this. Even if I may be considered dumb as a post by some because 1) I apparently think "anything goes" and all material is suitable by minors and 2) I clearly have no understanding of copyright law, I do apparently have some moral authority in the community (and I thought I was the one that was made out to have no morals...?)
ReplyDeleteIn any case, I don't think anyone who comments here had anything to do with a Facebook hack, and I hope I'm right about that. If Ginny's Facebook account was hacked, I'm sorry to hear that and would urge anyone behind it to stop that kind of behavior. Faking posts or comments on her FB account is unnecessary when there are so many legitimate posts/comments on her blog to dissect and disprove.
And Dan, I'm sure the displeasure with Ginny's role in the library challenge, anti-harrassment policy, etc. is more far-reaching than you realize. Certainly, a lot of people in West Bend are against her actions. But when the library challenge became international news, it put a big target on her back. Her "hacker" could be virtually anyone.
There was no hack.
ReplyDeleteOccam's razor Dan... Ginny posted it to her facebook page, a screenshot was taken and that is all.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Except spreading planted defamatory content is not ladylike.
ReplyDeleteThere is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security messages I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
You people doth protest too much, methinks.
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ReplyDeleteMaria, other than the attitude, thank you for your message and I hope it is heeded.
Marshwood, it is my opinion you are the hacker who did this then grabbed the screen shots to harass and defame Ginny, and perhaps worse. Based on my belief that you have acting as you have with the potential serious consequences both to you and to Ginny as they may be, you are no longer welcome to post comments on my blog. Any you do place for any reason will be removed as soon as I can get to them. Any other commenter who comments on your behalf in any way will find that particular comment will be removed. You have not yet been proven by a court of law to be a criminal, but it is my opinion that will be a matter of time. Criminals may not use my blog to perpetuate their crimes.
Maria, I am happy you hope no one here had anything to do with the hack, and I am certain you did not, but it is my opinion Marshwood is directly involved. Unless Marshwood is also Miss West Bend, I do not think Miss West Bend is directly involved, except to the except she may have and may still be colluding with Marshwood, and she may be involved with other harassing incidents, like the URL in Ginny's name that's not really Ginny's URL. Local_MLIS_Student uses colorful language but I do not think he is involved, based on what I see above.
And Maria, a lot of harassment began before the international news hit. You have a possible theory that an international hacker is at work, but it does not jive with the facts.
And now, a message to hackers. Hackers, I know you are all people legitimately interested in probing the boundaries of the computer world. I hold you in high esteem and our society has seen many benefits of your activity. The hacker who made this particular Facebook break, however, is likely not an actual hacker, just someone who uses web site provided front end interfaces to attempt to break into accounts, much like Sarah Palin's "hacker" who went to jail. That's not real hacking, that's just criminal activity. So my comments are really directed toward the criminal activity of someone, not towards hackers or hacking per se. Hack on.
(Republishing 1st part of 2 part comment as it appears to have disappeared.)
ReplyDelete"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Except spreading planted defamatory content is not ladylike.
There is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security message I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
You people doth protest too much, methinks.
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The first half of my comment disappeared, a second time now!
ReplyDeleteI'll try again, in smaller pieces.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Except spreading planted defamatory content is not ladylike.
ReplyDeleteThere is sufficient circumstantial evidence that the person who defamed Ginny by hacking into her account, placing false flag material, grabbing screen prints, posting them on external sites, instantly reacting to a claim of defamation, then repeatedly pointing out how ridiculous that could be and how awful is Ginny is actually one of the commenters here.
For example, Marshwood's facile response to my first comment came 7 minutes later, and it might have taken several minutes to type the message. Then he provided the external link to a graphic.
ReplyDeleteWho makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot? Maria claims it could be anybody in the world. Get serious. You guys have opposed her every step of the way, perhaps for legitimate reasons, but by many illegitimate means. You guys reacted immediately to the comment that this may have been defamation. You guys pulled the screen grab out of your hats and placed it on an external site. You guys have probed her online accounts constantly, and mine as well. Yes, you guys have attempted to gain access to resources both covertly and via pretextual messages based on a number of security message I have received and other things. You guys have harassed Ginny every step of the way. You guys make responses to the Facebook hacking claim like, "[y]ou are fucking hilarious, man," "[o]ccam's razor Dan," "Kleinman - take your meds," "don't believe all the lies Ginny tells you," "get real, man. she's a crazy. plain and simple."
ReplyDeleteYou people doth protest too much, methinks.
Okay, that's the end of the first half of my comment, now separated into 3 subparts to bypass some unknown technical issue. The second half already appears above (so far).
ReplyDeleteI am responding to this 5 minutes after "SafeLibraries" posted. Does this mean I am you, Dan?
ReplyDeleteIt's the whole package, not any individual element.
ReplyDeleteMiss West Bend reported something that actually happened; the post did appear on Ginny's FB page, even if, as you say, she claims her account was hacked. It appeared there; that's true, so you can't claim defamation.
ReplyDeleteI find it highly amusing that in the same breath that you claim Ginny is being defamed, you call out Marshwood and basically call him/her a criminal without any kind of proof other than your convoluted reasoning. And you accuse Miss West Bend of being behind other supposed "crimes" against Ginny, like the Ginny Maziarka domains. (Which, by the way, are no where near defamation or harrassment.)
Because defamation involves false information as truth is an absolute defense. If Marshwood were to tell the truth, he might first have to be read Miranda rights.
ReplyDeleteThe Ginny/Marshwood no-difference claim you make is false, like a guy who murders his parents seeking special consideration as an orphan. Similarly, Ginny may be Marshwood's victim.
Miss West Bend may have known the false information was planted but still publicized that Ginny published it. It certainly appears that way by her comments. That sounds like trouble no matter what smoke screen you may throw up next.
So, I'm a criminal hacker because I took a screenshot of her (then public) Facebook wall?
ReplyDeleteDanny, whatever you're smoking, I want some.
Danny, all your rhetoric is based on a speculative premise of yours that me or someone hacked Ginny's FB page with the sole purpose of posting a textual limerick criticizing the Mosque. And then tipped off Miss West Bend to post a screenshot of it here.
ReplyDeleteREALLY? That's what someone would do if they actually were able to hack into Ginny's FB account?
LOLOLOLOL
"Who makes graphics of these things? Who knows what Ginny is supposedly like in West Bend that they suddenly feel a need to get a screen shot?"
ReplyDeleteGo re-read all the instances on Sleepless in West Bend where Ginny would routinely change posts after criticism. Anyone who has witnessed desperate people getting caught know its always good to keep archives of webpages.
Guess how many MBs I have from your blog?!? BWAHAHAHAHA
Maria said: "I find it highly amusing that in the same breath that you claim Ginny is being defamed, you call out Marshwood and basically call him/her a criminal without any kind of proof other than your convoluted reasoning."
ReplyDeleteNow you're going to be accused of personally attacking Dan, or his version of the meaning of an ad hominem attack. Tsk tsk
"Danny, all your rhetoric is based on a speculative premise of yours...."
ReplyDeleteNo, I spoke with Ginny directly, and I too have been similarly probed as I explained, so between that and all the other things, I believe Ginny's account was hacked and you are the hacker.
Further, your continued efforts to make people look the other way only helps strengthen this view.
Oh by the way, this is not the only blog post on which you immediately posted a comment that contained information that no one else would know who did not have inside information.
What in god's green earth are you talking about?
ReplyDeleteAnd please, provide your specific evidence that implicates me in this "hack".
Finally, Dan, just step back and think about it. Ginny's entire political identity -- her WISSUP and Eagle Forum movements -- fall squarely in line with the poem that she posted on her Facebook page.
Further, there was nothing all that radical in her post. Nothing all that harmful. It just showed she supports an ignorant position. That's no surprise to anyone. THINK ABOUT IT: if you really think *I* hacked her account, don't you think I'd do something more malicious with that access?
(Once again) Your wild theories just don't make sense.
But hey, I'll throw you a bone: please have Ginny post all her correspondence with Facebook regarding this supposed hack. They'll have the security logs of any access, attempts to reset her password. Even the IP address of who logged into her account to post that poem. Just have her post it all online. I'm confident none of it would point to me. I guarantee it.
I also would like to have Ginny herself publicly refute the notion that she posted that to her wall. I want her denial, and accusation that someone hacked her account, on record. She should be more than willing to do that if she's being a good, honest Christian.
ReplyDeleteYou think you are very clever. You just ignore what I say and continue to pile on the defamation. You continue to smear her again and again, nonstop. You are so cock sure you will not get caught that you have asked me to do something you know you already protected yourself against. And you continue to mock her Christianity.
ReplyDeletePlease, continue to defame her. Such actions may be considered during sentencing, something that may eventually catch up to you even if you are too clever right now.
I'm not defaming or mocking. She should come out and confirm she didn't post that, and state for herself that someone hacked her account. Unless I hear it from her mouth, you are just babbling with unverifiable hearsay.
ReplyDeleteAnd if she isn't being honest, then she's being untrue to her faith. Simple as that.
BTW, has anyone else noticed that Ginny is violating Facebook's terms of service by having two active accounts for herself.
ReplyDeleteThere's the one in question here, which now has its wall set to private: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000511151262
And this other one, which is harder to find, but its out there (no hack required, Danny): http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=536190121
If there's any doubt as to the ownership of this second account (since it doesn't have her face in the profile), here's a public comment she made, featuring her typical rhetoric: http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=202342187163
And, just to preempt Dan: this aren't personal attacks. Just stating two simple facts: 1) Ginny has 2 Facebook accounts; 2) that's against Facebook's terms of service (see section 4.2 at http://www.facebook.com/terms.php)
Cheers!
(Man, I can't believe how quickly I just did all that hacking!)
ReplyDeleteAnd here are 2 examples of why its always a good idea to take screenshots of everything GInny does online: she likes to erase evidence:
ReplyDeletehttp://sleeplessinwestbend.blogspot.com/2009/06/if-you-dont-agree-with-ginny-maziarka.html
http://sleeplessinwestbend.blogspot.com/2009/05/v-is-for-vendetta-ginny-maziarkas.html
(And sorry, Dan, if I posted this too soon after my other ones. I just know how to Google faster than most)
We all know Ginny will not get a fair shake here. Just look at the reaction I have gotten, and I'm not Ginny. Were she to write here, you and others would use it as a launching point for more defamation. It really never ends with people like you. Neither does your harassment.
ReplyDeleteYou have to wonder if this behavior of yours is acceptable to others. Obviously some know who you are and what you are doing to Ginny. They must really hate Ginny to stay friends with someone like you doing the dirty work you do.
Do you care one iota how this affects Ginny and her family?
Ginny doesn't need to confirm her story here. She has her own blogs (with strict comment moderation to control the reaction). She's more than free to publicly state for the record that her Facebook account was hacked and that she didn't actually post that message that appears in the numerous screenshots.
ReplyDeleteIf she's being truthful, she has nothing to lose to go on record to confirm what you've stated second-hand. If she's unwilling to go on record, that just raises some questions now, doesn't it?
And how does any of this affect her family? She posted her opinion on her public facebook wall. Again, her daily comments on her own blog are much more vitriolic than this silly poem. (But keep ignoring the illogical stance you're holding that someone hacked her account just to post this silly thing)
Ginny, if she were me, will put something in writing, but it will not be made public in the manner you, her harasser/defamer, suggest.
ReplyDeleteThere are no facts in evidence to support the accusation that I have defamed her. I demand your apology, and any further insistence will be used at your pending criminal trial.
ReplyDelete(see how dumb it sounds when you threaten people with trials and sentencing!)
There are a number of facts listed above. Further, there is additional information. Keep pushing, Marshwood. Oh, I'm not doing anything, but I would not be surprised if someone else does.
ReplyDeleteWhat "additional information"? You're a big fan of unverifiable statements and accusations, aren't you.
ReplyDeleteBig man.
Stop it. You expect her to tip her hand to you, her harasser?
ReplyDeleteI'm falling asleep.
I'm beginning to think that Dan Kleinman's Blogger profile here has been hacked, because there is no possible way, in my opinion of course, that he could be actually be this full of shit.
ReplyDeleteHahah looks like Ginny's other facebook account was hacked too! I mean, now way did she actually post this on December 11, 2009:
ReplyDelete"Christians are fooling themselves if they do not think their involvement in public school policies and curriculum review is necessary. The next generation of youth is being raised on liberal pollution, i.e., harassment and bullying policies that give special protection to homosexual "children", school (and public) libraries stocking sexually explicit gay books and calling it "intellectual freedom", government-controlled sex education commandeered by Planned Parenthood, and the like. Wake up! Wake up!"
Either he's lying, and Ginny never said her account was hacked and someone else posted that. Or she's lying, and he's gullible enough to believe it.
ReplyDeleteEither way, its precious, ain't it?!?
And I hope the fact I posted 3 minutes after you doesn't lead to accusations that you and I are the same person.
ReplyDelete(Dan hasn't yet discovered how you can subscribe to comment feeds in order to read and respond promptly. For some people, everything is conspiratory)
The saddest part of this entire thing is that it extends Ginny's 15 minutes. It really looked like she and Dan had used up their time in WB. Sadly, that is not the case.
ReplyDeleteI have said in other posts, I have friends in Australia and they see these things so the idea that the "hacker" has to be someone that is commenting here seems silly. By the way, my friends and I have nothing to do with this little fracas. Though they e-mailed me and told me they saw this stuff on the web. They are laughing at the community of WB. Thanks Ginny and now Dan. WB is an international laughingstock.
WB is again an international laughingstock.
ReplyDeleteAnd, personally, I can't decide which is more laughable. Ginny trying to cover her a** by lying about some wild Facebook hack, or Dan K. who believes her to the ends of the earth and has convinced himself that commenters here must be the culprit.
Wait, this isn't laughable at all.....its just plain sad.
Dan K asked, Do you care one iota how this affects Ginny and her family?
ReplyDeleteWhile I wish Ginny and her family no harm, emotionally or otherwise, you have to give a pass to anyone that might not be so concerned. Did Ginny care one iota about the LGBT in our community when she tried to destroy the parts of the harrassment policy with protected them from harrassment based on sexual preference? Did she care about the teachers that she made life very difficult for, making veiled accusations about them? Did she care about my feelings when she publicly called me the woman who says porn is OK for kids or mocked me with labels such as "the likes of Maria Hanrahan"? Did she care about the library director when she ridiculed him virtually daily on her blog? Did she care about the YA librarian when she stalked her Facebook page and made allegations that she was pushing an agenda in our community?
If Ginny wants discussion of her behavior and tactics to end, it's easy enough to accomplish.
And, going through the comments, Dan -- why did you apparently e-mail Maria H. to ask her to weigh in on this? This has nothing to do with the library issue.
ReplyDeleteBecause, Local_MLIS_Student, I foresee possible serious consequences for what is happening in West Bend. I am making an effort to try to bring sanity to the situation for everyone's sake.
ReplyDeleteMaria has never harassed nor defamed Ginny, so far as I know, and she is viewed as a sort of leader of those who oppose Ginny's efforts. I reached out to Maria as a result.
It hasn't seemed to have much of an effect, other than to now be questioned for e-mailing Maria, but at least I tried. Can you believe I'm now being questioned as to why I e-mailed Maria?
If someone does go to jail, I know I will have tried at least something to prevent it.
I am trying, really I am, but you and others just continue down the path unabated. And each new nuance is immediately questioned, like my e-mail to Maria, like 2 Facebook accounts, etc.
The viciousness is palpable. Did you ever think that's what's defaming West Bend, not Ginny?
Did you ever think you are part of the problem? Here, let me quote you: "You are fucking hilarious, man."
Right, Dan. Someone is going to jail over this. Sure....
ReplyDeleteNot you, don't worry.
ReplyDelete"I am making an effort to try to bring sanity to the situation for everyone's sake. "
ReplyDeleteThat's the funniest line in this whole tread. Thanks for the chuck, Danny.
Wow, Dan. I wonder if Ginny has paid you a retainer fee for future legal services. Are you a member of the Wisconsin Bar Association?
ReplyDeleteYou, my friend, have NO idea the destruction Ginny has caused in the WB community. You have tanke her side - and, unfortunately, you've bought her package blindly. Like I've said before, people had had enough of her homophobia, whether it was over a harassment policy, WB staff members, or books in the library with a homosexual theme. Because people stood up to her that's harassment? Please. She's been to school board meetings, library board meeetings, and common council meetings with her video camera, posted the video and made snide comments if the person being taped didn't agree with her position. She's taken snapshots of people's blogs and facebook profiles - isn't that criminal??? She's been on TV inciting fear in the Milwaukee community via the "Christian" (sic) TV station (and the radio station) when she's asked for "expertise" on library and school issues. GIVE IT UP, DAN! She doesn't need you to defend her, after all, according to her she wields the sword of truth. Really, if you haven't figured this situation out yet, you're really wasting your time.
Days have gone by, and still no public testament by Ginny that she in fact did not post this gem of a poem. Perhaps she fears the sword of truth....
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